Aug 3rd, '10, 17:30
兩次行動後，已有外國朋友關注我地嘅組織。比如我已經留意到有美國法國嘅人通過google線上翻譯流覽我嘅雜誌。（當然效果一塔湖塗）我琳呢度嘅網站亦一樣受到關注。我強烈建議，馬上開始我地嘅組織嘅宣傳工作。這個需要我地擁有完整嘅英文简历、綱領，目標，同一D法律。呢D資源吾單只對向外宣傳我地嘅抱負有幫助，更可以令我地更快揾到外交國家，同埋更快揾到合適嘅軍火供應者。簡言之，我地需要明確咁比地球人知道，我地系代表正義。
但而家問題系，人地已經開始對我地組織做緊評價，但系又睇吾明我地嘅一隻字。
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钟双羽 on Aug 3rd, '10, 17:53, edited 2 times in total.
Aug 3rd, '10, 17:44
完成上面嘅问题过程中，请考虑系本讨论区建一个英文嘅讨论区，经我google研究，外国友人对我地嘅民族定义系有好大疑问，好大好奇，同时又好多误解。我地需要系呢度（我地嘅地盘）提供外国友人发问嘅地方。
因为我已发现，外国人系其他地方对我地粤族同汉族嘅问题发问时，受到其它（支那）人嘅误导。我体到个D回答，回复，完全令我有一种痛心、抓狂嘅痛。
Aug 3rd, '10, 17:50
关于DNA，粤族承担税负，粤族同中国人区别，粤族人受打压，都要有正式而简洁但又有理嘅英文资料，可随时提供比外人参阅。
Aug 3rd, '10, 17:57
如果我地，我地民族，受到外國們嘅正式承認，同理解。咁驅逐支那人，粵族立國只系時間問題而已。
Aug 4th, '10, 23:41
Cantonese independence
Cantonese independence is a political movement whose goal is primarily to create an independent and sovereign Republic of Canton out of the lands of present-day Guangdong province currently occupied by the People's Republic of China.
This movement currently has minimal support, although it is very slowly gaining momentum. Due to a deeply ingrained worldwide view that Guangdong is an integral part of China and the fact that liberal ideas have failed to uproot this view, it is unlikely that this movement will develop into sustained open rebellion in the short to medium term.
Background
The Cantonese people are an indigenous people of Tai origin who have lived in what is now Guangdong since at least 500 BC. For the next couple of centuries, their society was that of a complex farming society. Their culture and language was completely different from their northern neighbours.
Not long after the founding of Imperial China under the Qin Dynasty, the Cantonese people's cultural identities came under serious threat for the first time. Determined to subjugate and enslave the Cantonese people, Qin armies, victorious from their earlier conquests, advanced on modern-day Guangdong and began what would be one of the world's worst genocides ever in recorded history.
For a short time, after the fall of the Qin, an independent state existed in Liangguang and Annam, called Nanyue. It was founded by a renegade Qin general who adopted the customs of the southern Yue peoples (the Cantonese being one of them). It was later conquered by the Han Dynasty.
For the next two thousand years, the subjugation of the Cantonese people continued under many other regimes to this day. Such is the nature of the subjugations that the Cantonese people, along with many other peoples brutally occupied by China almost completely lost their cultural identities and languages with the passage of time. Once this has occurred, the Cantonese ethnic identity became largely forgotten and ethnic Cantonese world wide have had to endure the humiliation of being labeled "Chinese".
DNA testing has shown that modern-day Cantonese people are not descended from ethnic Chinese. In contrast, it has been established that the Cantonese people share much similarities with some other South-East Asian peoples, particularly ethnic groups found in modern-day Laos, Thailand and Vietnam.
Emergence of the movement
In the late 20th and early 21th century, there has been a reemergence of awareness among ethnic Cantonese of their distinct ethnic identity rooted in South-East Asia. Influenced by liberal ideas, yet dismayed by, paradoxically, the inaction of human rights organizations, they are beginning to realize that they are in fact totally unrelated to ethnic Chinese. Determined to end their humiliation and suffering, some activists have put forward arguments for an independent Cantonese state, which would be founded the honour the rights of the Cantonese people to self-determination in much the same way as modern-day Israel was founded. In particular, they stress that the Cantonese people are not ethnic Chinese.
Current Status
Today, few people are even aware of the existence of such a movement. Although liberal ideas provided the inspiration for the movement, it is ironic that such ideas have actually enhanced the marginalization of the Cantonese people and the view that they are somehow ethnic Chinese. To make matters worse, Universities throughout the world have invariably rejected the ideas put forward by supporters of the Cantonese independence movement, claiming that their arguments are nonsense and have no support.
Supporters of Cantonese independence still continue to have an extremely difficult time convincing the wider community that the Cantonese people were victims of genocides at the hands of the Chinese.
It is expected that the movement will continue to enjoy gradually growing support, albeit at a very slow pace; however, it is likely that in the long-term, violent confrontations may result should the movement gain large support.
Cantonese independence in popular culture
Occasionally, an independent entity roughly where Guangdong province exists occurs in fiction.
In the instance of , a Cantonese-speaking Republic exists.
Aug 5th, '10, 07:31
钟双羽 wrote:兩次行動後，已有外國朋友關注我地嘅組織。比如我已經留意到有美國法國嘅人通過google線上翻譯流覽我嘅雜誌。（當然效果一塔湖塗）我琳呢度嘅網站亦一樣受到關注。我強烈建議，馬上開始我地嘅組織嘅宣傳工作。這個需要我地擁有完整嘅英文简历、綱領，目標，同一D法律。呢D資源吾單只對向外宣傳我地嘅抱負有幫助，更可以令我地更快揾到外交國家，同埋更快揾到合適嘅軍火供應者。簡言之，我地需要明確咁比地球人知道，我地系代表正義。
但而家問題系，人地已經開始對我地組織做緊評價，但系又睇吾明我地嘅一隻字。
呢個情況我一早就預計到，所以先至力促改版，喺版面度增添更加多嘅大粵元素。
除咗亞鐘生所提及嘅重心問題我哋要提供以我哋立場以我哋觀點嚟論述嘅相應英文資料之外，仲要喺論壇嘅關鍵字裡頭加入“粵獨、粵右、粵、大粵、粵語、粵族、粵文、粵文化、粵文明、廣州、廣東、廣西、廣東話、兩廣、拉丁粵文、粵語羅馬字、Cantonese、Cantonia、Canton、Cantonian、Cantonese independence”，以方便畀各搜索引擎好容易噉刮得到。
Aug 5th, '10, 10:13
要特别提出的是，撑粤运动不是粤人自闭的排外“一元主义”运动，而是以粤为独特角度，抛弃“认同迷惘”，开始以一个世界上独立自豪的民族去结交，认识亚洲各组群，和各大洲各大民族的“多元主义”运动。
一定要用粤文化，粤眼光，去演绎 来自 世界各方的流行文化作品，如用 R&B 演绎粤地 民歌。
要用“粤人走世界”的眼光，报道世界上各民族，尤其是没有国家主权的少数民族，如加泰兰，巴斯克，克楚亚，塔塔尔，布列塔尼亚，拉普，佛兰德尔，苏格兰，魁北克等，在“文化主权独立”上做的努力。
要和这些少数民族连成一线。
粤人新文化，新流行文化 一定要“世界化”，“国际化”。一定要通过 国际化的眼光，去降低 民粹派外主义带来的 短浅。
一定要 发展 广东话拼音，用广东话拼音 标注一切汉字，让 世界各国的民族都知道，这些汉字不是用 “普通话拼音”来拼读的。
Aug 5th, '10, 15:00
要特别提出的是，撑粤运动不是粤人自闭的排外“一元主义”运动，而是以粤为独特角度，抛弃“认同迷惘”，开始以一个世界上独立自豪的民族去结交，认识亚洲各组群，和各大洲各大民族的“多元主义”运动。
我好贊同呢個觀點。我地一向過去嘅對象，都系粵族傳統居留地上嘅族人。而家開始，我地要正式面向，離開左傳統居留地嘅，海外族民。我地系同一種語言，同一個民族。
系海外嘅族民，距地嘅民族覺悟更容易喚醒。距地更自由，距地有知識，距地更容易參與我地嘅組織。我甚至認為，距地對家鄉嘅愛，完全系會超越居住系傳統居留點被漢人洗緊腦嘅族民。